Taxonomic Swap 142047 (Committed on 2024-04-07)

POWO (Citation)
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Added by najera_tutor on April 7, 2024 10:50 PM | Committed by najera_tutor on April 7, 2024
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This should not be done -- iNat does not follow POWO for cheilanthoids -- @choess

Posted by crothfels 22 days ago

@najera_tutor, why did you do this? There is a deviation set up for Bommeria hispida with an explanation of why it exists. Did you read it before making this swap?

Posted by choess 22 days ago

hola, disculpen, en la ficha del taxón no vi ninguna advertencia, ¿ahí estaba?

me piden la homologación de un listado grande de especies para homogeneizar la lista del estado de Guanajuato MX, con el POWO, no lo estamos haciendo cuando el cambio no es lineal y cuando hay advertencias; en este caso se optó por hacerlo directo debido a que revertirlo de ser error es relativamente fácil

Posted by najera_tutor 22 days ago

This taxon swap is not advisable. Please see DNA work (in George, L.O., K.M. Pryer, T.-T., Kao, L. Huiet, and M.D. Windham. 2019. Baja: A new monospecific genus segregated from Cheilanthes s.l. (Pteridaceae). Systematic Botany 44: 471-482) that distinguishes Bommeria hispida from Hemionitis.

Posted by lisa514 22 days ago

I think it is better not to use POWO for fern and lycophyte taxonomy (not just in iNaturalist). POWO puts all the cheilanthoid ferns in Hemionitis but no one else really does that. Other floras, in English or in Spanish, will not match the POWO names.

"Detalles de taxonomia" on a species will show if there is already a deviation in place.

@najera_tutor I am sorry for being rude to you. There have been problems for a long time with iNaturalist taxonomy that have made me frustrated, and this took me by surprise. I always enjoy seeing and trying to identify your fern observations and I am grateful.

Posted by choess 22 days ago

similarly, sorry for being rude! or at least abrupt. I also appreciate all the work you do (both @najera_tutor and @choess) and should have taken an extra minute.

Posted by crothfels 22 days ago

no hay problema, nos pasa lo mismo con CACTACEAE; podrían compartir la base taxonómica que están usando para helechos?, tenemos un listado grande que piden se homologue con POWO

comparto la lista

Hemionitis aemula (Maxon) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Cheilanthes aemula
Hemionitis affinis (Mett.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Notholaena affinis
Hemionitis alabamensis (Buckley) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Myriopteris alabamensis
Hemionitis allosuroides (Mett.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Cheilanthes allosuroides
Hemionitis angustifolia (Kunth) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Cheilanthes angustifolia
Hemionitis arizonica (Maxon) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 9 2018 Cheilanthes arizonica
Hemionitis aschenborniana (Klotzsch) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 10 2018 Notholaena aschenborniana
Hemionitis aspera (Baker) ined. ? Cheilanthes horridula
Hemionitis beitelii (Mickel) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 10 2018 Astrolepis laevis
Hemionitis bonariensis (Willd.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 10 2018 Cheilanthes bonariensis
Hemionitis brachypus (Kunze) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 10 2018 Cheilanthes brachypus
Hemionitis candida (M.Martens & Galeotti) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 11 2018 Notholaena candida
Hemionitis cartilaginea (C.Presl) ined. ? Cheiloplecton rigidum var. rigidum
Hemionitis cochisensis (Goodd.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 11 2018 Astrolepis cochisensis
Hemionitis crassifolia (Houlston & T.Moore) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 12 2018 Astrolepis crassifolia
Hemionitis cucullans (Fée) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 12 2018 Cheilanthes cucullans
Hemionitis cuneata (Link) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 12 2018 Cheilanthes cuneata
Hemionitis decomposita (M.Martens & Galeotti) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 12 2018 Cheilanthes decomposita
Hemionitis eatonii (Baker) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 13 2018 Cheilanthes eatonii
Hemionitis ehrenbergiana (Klotzsch) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 13 2018 Bommeria ehrenbergiana
Hemionitis emperatricella Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 13 2018 Pellaea sagittata
Hemionitis farinosa (Forssk.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 13 2018 Aleuritopteris farinosa
Hemionitis formosa (Liebm.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 14 2018 Argyrochosma formosa
Hemionitis gaga Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 14 2018 Cheilanthes chaerophylla
Hemionitis galeottii (Fée) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 14 2018 Notholaena galeottii
Hemionitis hirsuta (Link) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 15 2018 Cheilanthes hirsuta
Hemionitis hispida (Mett.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 15 2018 Bommeria hispida
Hemionitis incana (C.Presl) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Argyrochosma incana
Hemionitis integerrima (Hook.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Astrolepis integerrima
Hemionitis intramarginalis (Kaulf. ex Link) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Mildella intramarginalis
Hemionitis jacalensis (Pray) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018

Hemionitis kaulfussii (Kunze) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Cheilanthes kaulfussii
Hemionitis lendigera (Cav.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Cheilanthes lendigera
Hemionitis lerstenii (Mickel & Beitel) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Cheilanthes lerstenii
Hemionitis leucopoda (Link) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 16 2018 Cheilanthes leucopoda
Hemionitis lindheimeri (Hook.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes lindheimeri

Posted by najera_tutor 22 days ago

Hemionitis longipila (Baker) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Myriopteris longipila
Hemionitis lozanoi var. lozanoi (Maxon) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes lozanoi
Hemionitis lozanoi var. seemannii (Maxon) ined. 2018 Cheilanthes lozanoi
Hemionitis marginata (Kunth) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes marginata
Hemionitis marsupianthes (Fée) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes marsupianthes
Hemionitis meifolia (Baker) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Aspidotis meifolia
Hemionitis membranacea (Davenp.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Gaga membranacea
Hemionitis mexicana (Davenp.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes mexicana
Hemionitis microphylla (Sw.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 17 2018 Cheilanthes microphylla
Hemionitis moncloviensis (Baker) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 18 2018 Cheilanthes pringlei var. monclovensis
Hemionitis myriophylla (Desv.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 18 2018 Cheilanthes myriophylla
Hemionitis notholaenoides (Desv.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 18 2018 Cheilanthes notholaenoides
Hemionitis ovata (Desv.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 18 2018 Pellaea ovata
Hemionitis pallens (Weath.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 19 2018 Argyrochosma pallens
Hemionitis palmeri (Baker) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 19 2018 Argyrochosma palmeri
Hemionitis pedata Sw. Syn. Fil. (Kiliae): 20, 209 1806 Bommeria pedata
Hemionitis pringlei (Davenp.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 19 2018 Cheilanthes pringlei
Hemionitis purpusii (T.Reeves) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 20 2018 Cheilanthes purpusii
Hemionitis schaffneri (E.Fourn.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 21 2018 Notholaena schaffneri
Hemionitis sinuata (Lag.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 21 2018 Astrolepis sinuata
Hemionitis subpaleacea (Maxon) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 21 2018 Bommeria subpaleacea
Hemionitis sulphurea (Cav.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 21 2018 Notholaena sulphurea
Hemionitis ternifolia ssp. arizonica (Windham) ined. ? Pellaea ternifolia ssp. arizonica
Hemionitis ternifolia ssp. ternifolia (Cav.) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 22 2018 Pellaea ternifolia
Hemionitis villosa (Davenp. ex Maxon) Christenh. Global Fl. 4: 22 2018 Myriopteris windhamii

Posted by najera_tutor 22 days ago

y seguro no son todos, pero no encuentro otro artículo más reciente que revierta esto

Posted by najera_tutor 22 days ago

Nearly everything on that list is treated on iNat in a different genus. For an overview of the generic concepts, see the PPG classificaiton: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jse.12229

For individual species, Michael Hassler's list will be definitive or nearly so: https://www.worldplants.de/world-ferns/ferns-and-lycophytes-list

And the taxonomic thesaurus in the pteridoportal should be close too: https://pteridoportal.org/portal/taxa/taxonomy/taxonomydynamicdisplay.php (or just query iNaturalist..)

cheers,
Carl

Posted by crothfels 22 days ago

For an idea of the fern community's response to the classification adopted by POWO see, e.g., "Are there too many fern genera?" -- https://www.jstor.org/stable/26826682

Posted by crothfels 22 days ago

got it, I'll revert this mess

Posted by najera_tutor 21 days ago

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